In public if a strange man is doing something inappropriate (playing loud music, letting an untrained dog run loose, etc..), my wife will be the person to tell the guy to knock it off. My assumption is if he's broken social protocol and I tell him what to do, there's a chance he'll puff is chest out and ask me what I'm going to do about it.
I have no data on this, but it's made me wonder how often women initiate low stakes social etiquette enforcement vs men.
I am definitely often concerned about the behavior of the most deranged men in our society and will steer well clear of them.
The other thing I think is always missed in this dialogue is that men-by definition-were once boys. Which means that we understand just fine what it's like to be small, weak, and possibly targeted by sexual predators. We are so protective of women in part because we empathize with their plight, not because we are ignorant of it.
I do think agree men tend to under-index for the amount of bad behavior of other men simply because it never happens when we're around. I still remember at age 32 or so when I was walking down a street in Australia and there was a woman nearby who was dressed like a stereotypical prostitute and I heard the sound of a car horn honking. I turned and looked and it seemed like it might have just been turning through a tough intersection, but the woman reacted a bit as if maybe they were honking at her. I remember thinking at that time that I'd spend my entire adult life watching like a hawk for any sign of this "street harassment" that's supposedly such a big deal, and I finally witnessed it.
So I was the one who got pulled over 21 times before turning 21. Not a typo. I drove a muscle car to high school. (‘72 challenger). I got pulled over for being 1 mph over the limit multiple times. I got pulled over because my door wasn’t closed all the way(it was). I got pulled over because my tail lights were out(It was daytime and my lights weren’t out). I got pulled over while driving my dads little pickup because the trailer hitch was covering the license plate(when I got out to remove the trailer hitch the cop asked me why I was removing the trailer hitch… I stared at him until he realized how badly he’d screwed up). I got accused of stealing scrap metal because I fit the description of the thief(teenage boy wearing shorts and a baseball cap-in the middle of summer). They had the K-9 unit go over our truck because I was such a key suspect.
Basically this pattern didn’t stop until my dad mentioned to them that they were working on a very good harassment lawsuit. I didn’t get pulled over one time after that comment was made.
Cops in my experience are usually people who were picked on in high school and have an authority complex as a result.
I am both a gun AND vagina owner and I’ve always been frustrated that other women can’t see the feminist value of gun ownership and proficiency. In all of the long history of humanity nothing has ever given women the power equalization and autonomy that guns have and most women just turn their noses up at them and instead hope a nice man will be there when they’re in trouble. Wtf is feminist about that? Yet women overwhelmingly push restrictive gun laws because… guns are icky? If I roll my eyes any harder I’ll injure something that might affect my aim.
I’m sure they’re confused by the often quoted half-truth statistics like “YOU are more likely to be killed by your own gun if you have one in the house…” which of course ridiculously includes suicides. I enjoy self reliance and have no fear that I might suddenly off myself in a fit of pique.
Yes. Those who have no experience with firearms, don't know anyone who shoots or hunts, perhaps live in a city, will have a limited perspective, shaped only by the death and destruction they see in the news.
In the woods, I would prefer to run into Jackie. But the woods are where Jackie has the least power. Margaret Atwood was tragically wrong- I don’t like being laughed at, but I’m not scared of it. What women can do that I do fear is lie about me to other people and destroy my life, or talk other men into hurting me. Women know that men in general have more physical power, and that’s scary. As a man, I feel that women have more credibility, and that if it’s my word against hers, her account of events will prevail.
I don’t know how aware women are that there just isn’t “team man”. That sketchy group of dudes on the corner don’t feel particularly safe for me either. And if there were a hostile bear threatening you in the woods, unless I have a gun, the only protection I can really offer is to get mauled in your place.
All that aside, I would rather run into a bear in the woods than a bad man. Unless running into the bear specifically means accidentally stepping in between a bear and its cubs.
Growing up in northern New Mexico, bad things happened in the woods sometimes because there were a lot of racial and social tensions, and when you encountered a stranger in the middle of nowhere, they could act however they wanted with a real expectation of no consequences. My dad always carried a gun “for rattlesnakes”, but never shot any of the rattlesnakes we encountered on the trails.
I know I'm sounding like a broken record here, but I think Megan and Sarah would really enjoy having Ben Studebaker on the show. He wrote an academic book that has a section on how Larp and fandom (both "left" and "right") are crucial coping mechanisms to escape from deadlock of the US political system, essentially to convince themselves that at least they are "doing something" and thus actually prolonging the status quo.
I recently woke up in the morning, and it was greeted by the site of an opossum peeking out at me from my toilet. It turned out to be a baby, but the possibility of an angry mother nearby did make me nervous and I picked it up using a towel and deposited it outside my house with only the greatest of care.
I think the point that was being made in the anecdote in this episode though is that any woman who is not afraid of a wild animal is probably not really afraid of a man either and is a lying hypocrite if she claims to be.
This is a little late but recently you were talking about some toothpaste that damaged your teeth. Was it Risewell? https://risewell.com/ Because I just bought a bunch of their mineral toothpaste for my kids.
Secondly.. on the topic of teeth, are you following the Lumina news? A one-time application that can prevent future cavities. We think.
As a beta male, 100% coward: Men fear other men.
In public if a strange man is doing something inappropriate (playing loud music, letting an untrained dog run loose, etc..), my wife will be the person to tell the guy to knock it off. My assumption is if he's broken social protocol and I tell him what to do, there's a chance he'll puff is chest out and ask me what I'm going to do about it.
I have no data on this, but it's made me wonder how often women initiate low stakes social etiquette enforcement vs men.
I am definitely often concerned about the behavior of the most deranged men in our society and will steer well clear of them.
The other thing I think is always missed in this dialogue is that men-by definition-were once boys. Which means that we understand just fine what it's like to be small, weak, and possibly targeted by sexual predators. We are so protective of women in part because we empathize with their plight, not because we are ignorant of it.
I do think agree men tend to under-index for the amount of bad behavior of other men simply because it never happens when we're around. I still remember at age 32 or so when I was walking down a street in Australia and there was a woman nearby who was dressed like a stereotypical prostitute and I heard the sound of a car horn honking. I turned and looked and it seemed like it might have just been turning through a tough intersection, but the woman reacted a bit as if maybe they were honking at her. I remember thinking at that time that I'd spend my entire adult life watching like a hawk for any sign of this "street harassment" that's supposedly such a big deal, and I finally witnessed it.
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DAMNIT!!!!!
So I was the one who got pulled over 21 times before turning 21. Not a typo. I drove a muscle car to high school. (‘72 challenger). I got pulled over for being 1 mph over the limit multiple times. I got pulled over because my door wasn’t closed all the way(it was). I got pulled over because my tail lights were out(It was daytime and my lights weren’t out). I got pulled over while driving my dads little pickup because the trailer hitch was covering the license plate(when I got out to remove the trailer hitch the cop asked me why I was removing the trailer hitch… I stared at him until he realized how badly he’d screwed up). I got accused of stealing scrap metal because I fit the description of the thief(teenage boy wearing shorts and a baseball cap-in the middle of summer). They had the K-9 unit go over our truck because I was such a key suspect.
Basically this pattern didn’t stop until my dad mentioned to them that they were working on a very good harassment lawsuit. I didn’t get pulled over one time after that comment was made.
Cops in my experience are usually people who were picked on in high school and have an authority complex as a result.
If you were alone in the woods would you rather run into Meghan or Sarah?
Should make this a poll. Except the answer should be obvious.
Added it.
Where do we find the poll?
In the post above
Sarah, You are as dangerous as a bear.
Sure, Sarah might be more likely to kill you, but Meghan is more likely to ask you to euthanize her.
I agree Sarah is more likely to kill me, but I think Meghan would be more likely to make a mean comment.
What mean comment? She literally pussied out on saying the word pussy. Apparently she's not that tough.
In a bear suit?
I am both a gun AND vagina owner and I’ve always been frustrated that other women can’t see the feminist value of gun ownership and proficiency. In all of the long history of humanity nothing has ever given women the power equalization and autonomy that guns have and most women just turn their noses up at them and instead hope a nice man will be there when they’re in trouble. Wtf is feminist about that? Yet women overwhelmingly push restrictive gun laws because… guns are icky? If I roll my eyes any harder I’ll injure something that might affect my aim.
Agreed. Presumably those women are more fearful of being shot, than being attacked and defenseless.
I’m sure they’re confused by the often quoted half-truth statistics like “YOU are more likely to be killed by your own gun if you have one in the house…” which of course ridiculously includes suicides. I enjoy self reliance and have no fear that I might suddenly off myself in a fit of pique.
Yes. Those who have no experience with firearms, don't know anyone who shoots or hunts, perhaps live in a city, will have a limited perspective, shaped only by the death and destruction they see in the news.
Just want to point out that Amy Cooper once called the cops because she was afraid of a man in a forest and people got pretty upset about that.
So I guess it's ok to be afraid of men in forests again? Just trying to keep up here.
In the woods, I would prefer to run into Jackie. But the woods are where Jackie has the least power. Margaret Atwood was tragically wrong- I don’t like being laughed at, but I’m not scared of it. What women can do that I do fear is lie about me to other people and destroy my life, or talk other men into hurting me. Women know that men in general have more physical power, and that’s scary. As a man, I feel that women have more credibility, and that if it’s my word against hers, her account of events will prevail.
I don’t know how aware women are that there just isn’t “team man”. That sketchy group of dudes on the corner don’t feel particularly safe for me either. And if there were a hostile bear threatening you in the woods, unless I have a gun, the only protection I can really offer is to get mauled in your place.
All that aside, I would rather run into a bear in the woods than a bad man. Unless running into the bear specifically means accidentally stepping in between a bear and its cubs.
Growing up in northern New Mexico, bad things happened in the woods sometimes because there were a lot of racial and social tensions, and when you encountered a stranger in the middle of nowhere, they could act however they wanted with a real expectation of no consequences. My dad always carried a gun “for rattlesnakes”, but never shot any of the rattlesnakes we encountered on the trails.
I know I'm sounding like a broken record here, but I think Megan and Sarah would really enjoy having Ben Studebaker on the show. He wrote an academic book that has a section on how Larp and fandom (both "left" and "right") are crucial coping mechanisms to escape from deadlock of the US political system, essentially to convince themselves that at least they are "doing something" and thus actually prolonging the status quo.
https://www.amazon.com/Chronic-Crisis-American-Democracy-Shut/dp/3031282094
I recently woke up in the morning, and it was greeted by the site of an opossum peeking out at me from my toilet. It turned out to be a baby, but the possibility of an angry mother nearby did make me nervous and I picked it up using a towel and deposited it outside my house with only the greatest of care.
I think the point that was being made in the anecdote in this episode though is that any woman who is not afraid of a wild animal is probably not really afraid of a man either and is a lying hypocrite if she claims to be.
SARAH-
This is a little late but recently you were talking about some toothpaste that damaged your teeth. Was it Risewell? https://risewell.com/ Because I just bought a bunch of their mineral toothpaste for my kids.
Secondly.. on the topic of teeth, are you following the Lumina news? A one-time application that can prevent future cavities. We think.
Original story from December: https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/defying-cavity-lantern-bioworks-faq
UPDATES from April: https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/updates-on-lumina-probiotic
You asked for an urban war expert, John Spencer is your man. He was just on Sam Harris and Live From the Table with Noam Dwarman.
These chicks crack me up
I spent most of the time on the main floor in the audience. There was a large number of Unspeakeasy members in attendance and I sat with them.